rick: in the meantime, jim, we just heard james reporting on the correspondence between one of hillary clinton-- secretary deputy-- >> assistant deputy secretary of state. what kind of way is that to have an interview with a reporter. >> and dana millbanks says this is what you have now, every secretary of state department has had a cadre of loyalists who see themselves as counter punchers and punching hard against the media and everybody else and it's a professional, almost, guild of spin doctors and now we see one what they really sound and act and talk like. everybody in politics knows them and this time it's public domain. >> rick: and very little attention, cal, in the media to this correspondent and in the meantime, when mitt romney goes overseas during the summer and one of his aides has a little heated exchange with a reporter, it's front page news. >> well, once again, we have more evidence, as if more was needed, that the bias of the mainstream media. i agree with judy, this was news, it was legit. the big argument was between the state department and cnn as to whether it was, some a